If you had the guts for M-19's

**Cal Weldon** · November 19th, 2012, 06:37 PM

and you didn't have a cabinet, what would you do for the bass section? The original 19, the 825, 3577A, 816...
Size is unimportant. It doesn't have to be an original Altec. I am just wondering what to do and what you would.

416C

**juniper** · November 19th, 2012, 07:04 PM

I would see if you could get permission from GM to build a model similar to Westend's...... If you look at the build, and there is a thread somewhere???? It is very impressive!!!!! I hope someday to hear them....

GM · November 19th, 2012, 08:00 PM

If the design has been posted on-line and for personal use, then it's available to everybody and since I'm a big fan of MLTLs, a large one of at least Vb = Vas/1.44 and preferably Vb = Vas, Fb = Fs at least 30" wide to allow for plenty of tuning flexibility works for me. Of course if there's not enough room gain, then power handling will suffer in the octave above Fb.

GM

Hmm, don't recall if his was ever published, so if not, then it's up to Westend.

**robertbartsch** · November 19th, 2012, 08:16 PM

I love bass horns but they are not practical. build a pair of 19 cabs...

**Alien_Shore** · November 19th, 2012, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by robertbartsch

I love bass horns but they are not practical. build a pair of 19 cabs...

Practicality is relative.
Here's my garage setup:
nt2396

I blast those 816s and 511s!
I can enjoy some quiet tunes with 2 watts, or I can hook it up for our neighborhood block party.

**VolvoHeretic** · November 20th, 2012, 12:20 AM

With no regards to the golden rule, maybe something like;
23.5"x18.5"x46.5" inside dimensions = 11.70 cu. ft minus the volume of the horn if you want to mount it inside the box.
23.5"x18.5"x40.5" inside dimensions = 10.19 cu. ft if you wanted to put the horn on top of the box.
I think that the front and back panels should use a 1/4" dado into the sides, top, and bottom panels as well as all of those panels to each other.

**juniper** · November 19th, 2012, 08:25 PM

GM, I just saw the pictures and the dimensions on a site, and it was a beautiful design... If I was copying a design of someone's, I would certainly want to ask them for permission, out of respect, and as a show of gratitude.... In a situation like this

**cradeldorf** · November 19th, 2012, 09:22 PM

As large and as open as possible.

**westend9** · November 20th, 2012, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by GM

If the design has been posted on-line and for personal use, then it's available to everybody and since I'm a big fan of MLTLs, a large one of at least Vb = Vas/1.44 and preferably Vb = Vas, Fb = Fs at least 30" wide to allow for plenty of tuning flexibility works for me. Of course if there's not enough room gain, then power handling will suffer in the octave above Fb.

GM

Hmm, don't recall if his was ever published, so if not, then it's up to Westend.

Yeah, and I'm still enjoying the speakers! Thanks again, GM! Here's the build thread:GM's MLTL for Model 19 drivers

**golana** · November 20th, 2012, 10:33 AM

Still building up my cache of parts. I have 416-16Z, and plan to go the opposite
direction. Per a few chats I have seen, and logical to me. A cabinet 5-5.5^3.
With the ability to, eventually adding a second pair. And fill the bottom with 2 or
3 small subs. I have 2 agendas here. Tightening up a near perfect range of a
great mid speaker. Plus,since a lifelong apt. dweller. The ability to add or lose
the bottom as I please.